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Message started by pipefitter on 05/29/12 at 22:51:35

Title: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 05/29/12 at 22:51:35

 I brought the car home over the weekend. Car was as described, it's a 40 year old car with 100k on it, it needs some work.
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo190/PipefitterDaveZ/73%20Ambassador/100_3683.jpg
 I like the stance with the 15's on the rear and the air shocks pumped up.
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo190/PipefitterDaveZ/73%20Ambassador/100_3686.jpg
 Of the pictures I saw before I bought it, the pictures of the top had me a little concerned, I saw what looked like vinyl top seams opening up, but in odd spots. I was wondering what was going on there. When I started picking at them, I found that someone had removed the vinyl top, ground it down to bare metal, and covered the top with sheets of fiberglass. I've got to say, I'll bet at the time it looked real nice, I was kind of impressed.
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo190/PipefitterDaveZ/73%20Ambassador/100_3681.jpg
Then I started digging further.
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo190/PipefitterDaveZ/73%20Ambassador/100_3678.jpg
Yeah, It's pretty bad. Best thing would be to get a replacement roof. Anybody got one? If I have to, I can fix this, but I'm not looking forward to it.

I was hoping I might get it driveable so as to go to a couple of cruise nights, but I've got other work in front of it. I might make that goal this fall, otherwise I'll have it driveable for next year. My 73 AMX needs to be finished before it gets a full rebuild.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 05/30/12 at 01:09:21

:-/  darn dave- im so sorry- if i had ANY idea of that i would have posted it-  let me look around for a roof section

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by Graewolf59 on 05/30/12 at 03:42:57

God I hate rust! Lived with it most of my life. N.H. born and raised. You really have your work cut out for you. Good Luck!  If all else fails, (suggestion) build a custom roadster out of it! Seriosly Good luck. Keep the pics coming.

Perk

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 05/30/12 at 08:52:22


AmcKidd wrote:
:-/  darn dave- im so sorry- if i had ANY idea of that i would have posted it-  let me look around for a roof section

Dennis,
 It's not your fault. You couldn't have known without having peeled off the roof covering. I should have asked about the roof as well. If you could find a roof that would be very helpful, otherwise it is within my ability to fix it if I have to.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by 69BBB3904spAMX on 05/31/12 at 06:22:24

Dan Curtis in AZ has a donor car they are using to restore another. Maybe you can get that roof for yours...

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 06/02/12 at 01:20:46


69BBB3904spAMX wrote:
Dan Curtis in AZ has a donor car they are using to restore another. Maybe you can get that roof for yours...

I posted in the wanted section of the other forum as well as here. I'll bet shipping is going to be impressive.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by GreasedGremlin360 on 06/04/12 at 09:24:31

That's weird it doing that for a California car??

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 06/04/12 at 14:07:40

well, not if it spent time on the coast or in the bay area,  they get humidity rust, especially with a cloth top- kind of strange, they begin rusting from the top down....  i had a 68 AMX from Santa Rosa that had rot in the window areas, and one quarter sized hole in the floor- nowhere else


Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by 69AMX on 06/04/12 at 18:19:49

People forget how big and how many different climates CA really is. We basically have most of the climates from around the country jammed into one state. So it really depends on what part of the state your in. Stuff on the coast will rust from salty air, cars that live in the Sierra Nevada mountains can get it from the roads, mostly the SoCal and valley cars stay relatively rust free. CA car doesn't necessarily mean no rust.

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 06/05/12 at 02:29:40

http://theamcforum.com/forum/1973-ambo-in-local-pull-a-part_topic40221.html

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by Frank Swygert on 06/06/12 at 15:02:25

Now you know why it was fiberglassed up! As long as you treat that rust so it's sealed off you can 'glass it again. Looks like they didn't treat or seal it first. Another hint -- get marine grade epoxy fiberglass instead of the polyester material sold for auto work. The marine stuff is a LOT tougher and weather resistant, but correspondingly more expensive. Would be worth it for something as exposed to the weather as a roof though. Something like this: http://www.mertons.com/Epoxy/epoxy_resins/about.html

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by ambassador401 on 06/06/12 at 19:06:27

Nice to see these big cars!
That roof looks bad  :( but nice to hear you going to repair it and not just part out.
I'm glad some previous owner took the vinyl top out of mine in time. It only has some small rust holes.
Of course now I can put the vinyl back because the car wont see anymore bad weather 8-)

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 06/06/12 at 22:19:42


Frank Swygert wrote:
Now you know why it was fiberglassed up! As long as you treat that rust so it's sealed off you can 'glass it again. Looks like they didn't treat or seal it first. Another hint -- get marine grade epoxy fiberglass instead of the polyester material sold for auto work. The marine stuff is a LOT tougher and weather resistant, but correspondingly more expensive. Would be worth it for something as exposed to the weather as a roof though. Something like this: http://www.mertons.com/Epoxy/epoxy_resins/about.html

Frank,
 You're right, there are better grades of fiberglass resins then what's commonly used by hobbyists. Personally I'm not for repairing metal with 'glass unless it's a temporary fix to get by. I'm hoping to be able to pass my hobby cars down to my kids. I can patch the roof but will keep searching for a replacement roof first. I have time, as I have other cars in line ahead of this one.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by GreasedGremlin360 on 06/08/12 at 09:48:30


AmcKidd wrote:
http://theamcforum.com/forum/1973-ambo-in-local-pull-a-part_topic40221.html

Only gAyMC forum members can acces that and I'll be danged I'fn I'm joining that shitefest. Oh and I figured Cali being a drier climate that rust wouldn't be an issue like that Ambo had. Thats a textbook rot job we'd see here in Florida.

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 06/08/12 at 22:20:20


GreasedGremlin360 wrote:
[quote author=AmcKidd link=1338331895/0#9 date=1338863380]http://theamcforum.com/forum/1973-ambo-in-local-pull-a-part_topic40221.html

Only gAyMC forum members can acces that and I'll be danged I'fn I'm joining that shitefest. Oh and I figured Cali being a drier climate that rust wouldn't be an issue like that Ambo had. Thats a textbook rot job we'd see here in Florida.[/quote]
Bart,
 I haven't looked at the car too hard yet, but in general it ain't bad, at least by North East standards. I've seen a few advertised on the internet lately, but they were repainted and you can't tell what's under the shiney paint. This car was repainted at one time as well, but long enough ago that if there was something wrong underneath there'd be some evidence. I'd say this car is far from being a rot box.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AMC PackRat on 07/01/12 at 14:55:14

That must be the favorite spot for Ambo roofs to rot out.   :-?   Mine isn't through yet and I've been treating it but I imagine it's only a matter of time before it goes through no matter what I do . . . .

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu295/amc-packrat/EBAYPARTSII631.jpg

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 07/01/12 at 18:42:57


AMC PackRat wrote:
That must be the favorite spot for Ambo roofs to rot out.   :-?   Mine isn't through yet and I've been treating it but I imagine it's only a matter of time before it goes through no matter what I do . . . .

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu295/amc-packrat/EBAYPARTSII631.jpg

Odd, ain't it?  By the way, does anyone know just how different the 67-69 roof were from the 70-73s? The front and back glass are the same, and the seam at the top of the quarter is pretty short, so how different can they be?

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/01/12 at 21:13:01

Dave- if they are close, i am scrapping a 67 ambo 2 door- you are welcome to the roof

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 07/02/12 at 00:53:42


AmcKidd wrote:
Dave- if they are close, i am scrapping a 67 ambo 2 door- you are welcome to the roof

I'm certainly interested. Look at PackRats picture, does the earlier roof look close? If there's a difference, I think that's where it would show up.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AMC PackRat on 07/02/12 at 01:26:50

At least you're lucky - about all the rust you have is the roof.  My car's from Milwaukee - it started rusting from the bottom up.   ;D   It'd be nice if sections from earlier cars would work at least for patches - there aren't a whole lot of 70-73 2 door Ambos floating around.   :-/  

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 07/02/12 at 08:56:14


AMC PackRat wrote:
At least you're lucky - about all the rust you have is the roof.  My car's from Milwaukee - it started rusting from the bottom up.   ;D   It'd be nice if sections from earlier cars would work at least for patches - there aren't a whole lot of 70-73 2 door Ambos floating around.   :-/  

Andre Jacobs at South Texas AMC has 4-door NOS quarters for $250 each, they are about as good a patch panel for a 2 door as you could possibly get. And that price is very fair.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AMC PackRat on 07/02/12 at 12:22:04

I did a trade earlier this spring with Rebel Machine.  I got a couple fenders and some door skins for patch panels (thanks, Steve).   8-)   My problem now is my welder ran away after only patching two holes.   >:(   Not sure how I'm gonna get the body fixed now but I'm working on it.  At least I got the engine back in it this week.   [smiley=banana.gif]

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu295/amc-packrat/EBAYPARTSII628.jpg

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by Rebel Machine on 07/03/12 at 23:59:22

Packrat,

I was wondering if you had gotten started with that project!

-Steve-

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AMC PackRat on 07/04/12 at 01:12:23

I got boned on the bodywork.   [smiley=brickbang.gif]  The guy welded 2 small patches, packed up and left - after I hacked up the firewall and headlight bucket area.   ::)  Just trying to get it running for now until I find another welder.  




Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/12/12 at 18:02:27

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/AmcKidd/DSCI0022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/AmcKidd/DSCI0021.jpg

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by imacarfan2 on 07/12/12 at 19:37:39

So...many...rust...free...cars... :(

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AMC PackRat on 07/12/12 at 19:42:06

That looks like some good doner material for patches . . . . . but . . .  MAN - look at all those nice AMCs ! ! !   [smiley=drool.gif]  I'd be thinking about fixing that Matador up if it wasn't 2000 miles away.   ::)

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/12/12 at 20:35:31

LOL.... Matador ?? WHERE ?
the green one is a 69 Rebel- runs and drives- no rot but dented-

the Blue one is a 67 Ambassador- crusher save (almost) it had a run in with a forklift-but had pretty decent black dash and tilt steering- i got it for spares for my 67 Rebel

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/12/12 at 20:38:25

Back on topic, i would think Packrat is correct- roof isnt useable for a replacement, but has the correct angles for patch panels- let me know what you want to do- i have a sawzall, and a son who loves to use it

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/12/12 at 20:39:39


imacarfan2 wrote:
So...many...rust...free...cars... :(


YEP- and a few Non-amc's too ! LOL

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AMC PackRat on 07/12/12 at 21:51:36

I meant Rebel . . . . wasn't looking at the roof line.   :-[   I don't think I've even seen another AMC besides the ones I have in months . . . .  

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 07/12/12 at 22:08:30


AmcKidd wrote:
Back on topic, i would think Packrat is correct- roof isnt useable for a replacement, but has the correct angles for patch panels- let me know what you want to do- i have a sawzall, and a son who loves to use it

Dennis,
 I was hoping to do some research at the AMO nationals this weekend. I really think the older roof can be used as a replacement with some minor rework at the rear quarter. Is the roof solid where the trim clips attach?

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/12/12 at 23:21:07

i will have to pull the trim and see- havent seen a BIT of rust on it yet though- give me a day or so- its supposed to cool down to the 90's tomorrow

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/12/12 at 23:23:01


AMC PackRat wrote:
I meant Rebel . . . . wasn't looking at the roof line.   :-[   I don't think I've even seen another AMC besides the ones I have in months . . . .  


well, the Rebel IS for sale- runs, drives, 290 A/T -come drive it home

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/12/12 at 23:35:35

ok, got curious- popped trim off and got a surprise- did you know 67 rebel and ambo were Rubber gasket windows ?  dont imagine it makes a difference,

i DID find some rust under the trim-  on the passenger side, not through, but it IS there- pins look to be all there though- i felt in there with a screw driver, but because of the rubber gasket, i cant look

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/16/12 at 23:46:59

pulled the rear glass- pins are all there

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 07/17/12 at 08:56:42

Looking at cars at the AMO National show last weekend, it looks like I could make use of an early roof without too much trouble.

Dennis, my concern wasn't so much that the pins are there, but that the metal is sound in that area. That's a place that's hidden by mouldings and can be a problem area, front and back. Got any idea what it takes to get a roof from Oroville to Adams? I've got some more leads on possible cars more local to me but need time to track them down.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/17/12 at 15:42:19

ok, i thought the pins were your concern- under the vynil it IS soft- in a few places.
the rubber seal for the window kept the edge of the rag top in decent shape, meaning it did absorb some water in the area- there is so much white cloth and seam sealer on the edge its hard to get a decent picture

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by AmcKidd on 07/23/12 at 17:11:08

Dave- i am getting ready to scrap the 67-  do you want any of the roof ?  it does have some rust through between the trim pins
Pics http://theamcforum.com/forum/parting-67-ambassador-2-door_topic41626.html

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 07/23/12 at 22:02:12

Dennis, It sure is hard to tell from a picture. I can't see the rust through so I really can't make a judgement on the part. Since you can see it first hand and you say there is rust through I'm probably going to pass. I may kick myself later. I'm guessing shipping would be costly and then I'd still have to repair and then modify the roof. I do appreciate that you thought of me in this matter, thank you.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 08/12/12 at 20:10:56

I had some time to work on the car today, fixed the sticking brake pedal. The linkage was rusted and siezing both sides of the firewall. Took it apart, cleaned and greased it, works good now. That and adjusted the choke. It's a lot easier to move it around now.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by FuzzFace2 on 08/13/12 at 12:42:30

Dave how were the nylon bushings on the motor side pivit or does yours not use them? On my Javelin I found the same thing, rusted and did not want to move as should but in getting it apart the bushings got wasted. I could not find any thru venders so had to make them. Found the right OD at the local hard ware store and drilled out the center - that was fun!
Dave ----

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 08/13/12 at 23:36:01

Nylon bushings on the engine side of the firewall were usable, most of the rust seemed to be in the center between the bushings. On the passenger side of the firewall, one bushing usable, the other just about gone but I used what was left for now. On the Javelins I used the best of whatever was hanging around. I've junked a few cars and tried to keep a lot of the odd parts.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 10/09/12 at 00:00:04

I made some progress over the last two days. I pulled the engine, degreased it and pulled the core plugs, which I knew were bad when I bought it. I flushed the block, replaced the core plugs and have the engine bolted back in the car. I have some new hoses and belts comming in tomorrow, I'll be putting in the old radiator from my 73 Javelin for now. Core plugs were actually hard to find in stock locally, I spent quite a bit of time chasing them down.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 05/10/14 at 18:09:18

Car is registered and inspected.
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo190/PipefitterDaveZ/73%20Ambassador/100_4024_zpsbac6cd48.jpg (http://s374.photobucket.com/user/PipefitterDaveZ/media/73%20Ambassador/100_4024_zpsbac6cd48.jpg.html)
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo190/PipefitterDaveZ/73%20Ambassador/100_4025_zps336b45d6.jpg (http://s374.photobucket.com/user/PipefitterDaveZ/media/73%20Ambassador/100_4025_zps336b45d6.jpg.html)
I'm waiting on my rims to come back from being re-hooped so I used my son's wheels and tires in the mean time. My wheels will be the same, back tires will be the same, I'm thinking of doing a taller tire in the front.
The car still needs some help, obviously. Idea for this year is to just be able to drive and get some enjoyment out of it, there's plenty of other things to do here.

Dave Z

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by FuzzFace2 on 05/11/14 at 03:52:09

Dave, good to hear you are going to get some seat time in her  8-)
My project will be a few more years   :'(
Dave ----

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by amxdreamer on 05/12/14 at 04:05:53

That's a cool bodystyle.

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by brownSpirit on 06/10/14 at 02:14:43

Dave, any car show pics to post up?  Andy

Title: Re: 73 Ambassador 2-door
Post by pipefitter on 06/15/14 at 12:08:46

Andy,
I did bring it to Musclepalooza but no pictures. It's getting an alignment this week. Otherwise Lenny's Javelin is going back together.

Dave Z

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