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Reply #3240 - 02/09/10 at 05:43:11
 
You've definately got yourself some work ahead of you . Good luck !
 
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Reply #3241 - 02/09/10 at 13:27:47
 
Tony, for the command center I am putting in, I would have to cut and mod all kinds of stuff, and would actually probably be harder than just redoing everything, cause I would have to make my mods work while also trying to understand the TSM diagram. The original harness has multiple items running on the same circuits, and its designed that way, adding on to and modifying those circuits is probably what has melted everything in the old harness that was in there. I am just spitballing here, but that would be one of my assumptions, and I also dont want to spend the money or use somebody elses harness thats in good shape just to cut it up.  
 
Check this out, after more research into the TSM and the rats nest I had laying on the ground, I found that at one time, the aftermarket radio, the heater blower motor, headlights, tail lights, brake lights and positive for the neutral safety switch were all spliced and running off of the same accessory tab on the fuse panel.... and the fuse panel was charred black on the bottom side to that circuit, as well as where the main battery feed came in.... Roll Eyes Smiley There were 5 tabs on my fuse panel just burnt to a crisp!!! Shocked Shocked
 
 
Dont worry guys, my stubborn and relentless a$$ will get it done and figured out. I hope....  
 
 
BTW: I have made some comments in the past to others that making your own harness would be no big deal..... well that was a STUPID AND UNINFORMED NOOB Comment... I apologize!!! Roll Eyes embarrassed
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Reply #3242 - 02/10/10 at 15:49:50
 
JP--
You'd better make 2 harnesses right off the bat. That way, when you have to do the wiring the 2nd time, you'll have a harness ready to plug in....wait a minute...if the 2nd harness is a duplicate of the first, you might end up doing the wiring 3X... Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #3243 - 02/10/10 at 16:59:09
 
JP , just my Smiley for what it's worth.
    
    Get a basic 12 circuit  painless kit for a GM column off Ebay for about $200 then add what you need and want to finish the systems needed. . . . .
 
If youre getting rid of the stock ignition switch add relays for the high amp circuits like heater/AC, fuel pump, and electric fans.
 
If running relays with flip switches to control them consider swiching on the ground side of the relay, it makes the wiring simpler and safer( less wiring with 12v on them)
   If the wiring harness is not in the budget I would just have to postpone the dyno session till later and use the old seat of the pants dyno and get the car back together.
 You do need a safe wiring system
 
 just my  Smiley----------------Lonnie
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Reply #3244 - 02/10/10 at 17:20:05
 
Hey guys...
 
Lonnie, I have relays in place for the fuel pump and the electric fans. A heater and AC doesnt exist in the Smurf any longer. And that was interesting tip about interrupting the ground vs the 12v, guess that would also eliminate a lil of the resistance in the power side of the circuit as well... as far as safe goes, trust me buddy, that was the whole purpose of this, and I will not make a single connection without being sure thats how it should be done, and also why I am opening my project up for ideas and opinions, as well as doing a lot of mind numbing reading about automotive wiring..... talk about some boring reading..... but in the end, I will have learned a lot!! And everything is coming from the trunk, so it would be a trunk oriented type harness. I havent ruled out anything as of yet, will keep searching and as always, I value your guys' continued input!! Smiley Smiley
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Reply #3245 - 02/10/10 at 17:33:27
 
If you are going to make your own get good noninsulated terminals and use heat shrink at each terminal, connectors at junctions so it is easy to remove or service. Dont use cheesy red blue and yellow crimp stuff, buy the good stuff and a good crimper and solder and crimp each terminal.
 
http://order.waytekwire.com/category2/M37/320/Terminals%20And%20Connectors/
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Reply #3246 - 02/10/10 at 17:51:28
 
T, I have already decided that if I do this, every terminal will either be a spade type, or a ring, so every connection can be connected and disconnected with ease and can be visually inspected easily. The switches for the command center have all screw in type prongs which you have to use the ring connectors for... am I understanding you right and that this is what you were recommending?? I have also found some great wiring options from the home market, wire that is heavily insulated, very good strand count (low resistance) and also come in numerous choices of size and number of insulated wires inside a main fire resistant insulated housing...  
 
and yes, I would definitely need a better crimper, as I just have a cheap walmart thing that came in a kit a long time ago that only works right half the time...  embarrassed
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Reply #3247 - 02/10/10 at 18:45:39
 
By connectors I mean a multiple terminal weatherpack or metripak GM style so you can disconnect a series of wires at a time. You need a good crimper and do it properly. Male portion of the crimp on the backside of conn not on split.
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Reply #3248 - 02/10/10 at 18:59:34
 
Have found all kinds of cool stuff on that site, and a heck of a lot cheaper than having to special order stuff from a hardware store... Smiley Found a heavy duty 12 circuit 30A sealed fuse block for 12 bucks.... hard to beat that!!!! Smiley
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Reply #3249 - 02/11/10 at 21:20:57
 
Whew, ok, I got the wiring diagram Done.... I am gonna try and take a pic of it and post it so you guys can go over it, pick it apart, and ask questions... the only thing not done on the diagram at this point is the electric fans, still not totally sure what I am doing up front with cooling yet.....
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Reply #3250 - 02/12/10 at 08:40:50
 
Hey it is a full time job trying to keep up with what you are doing. Grin Grin
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Reply #3251 - 02/12/10 at 13:51:42
 
What are you talking about, I cant keep up with myself, cant expect others too... Grin But I gotta tell ya, I love this stuff, I think coming up with your own crap and ideas and doing what hasnt been done is awesome, and has become a total addiction!!!! And when I say what hasnt been done before, I mean what I personally have never done before... new stuff, new projects, welding, metal working, drawing wiring diagrams, and soon engine building etc etc.. I love it all, even if half of my stuff doesnt work sometimes.... Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #3252 - 02/12/10 at 18:32:53
 
Quote from firecapt321 on 02/12/10 at 13:51:42:
What are you talking about, I cant keep up with myself, cant expect others too... Grin But I gotta tell ya, I love this stuff, I think coming up with your own crap and ideas and doing what hasnt been done is awesome, and has become a total addiction!!!! And when I say what hasnt been done before, I mean what I personally have never done before... new stuff, new projects, welding, metal working, drawing wiring diagrams, and soon engine building etc etc.. I love it all, even if half of my stuff doesnt work sometimes.... Cheesy Grin Grin

 
JP, all your stuff works, it just takes a couple of tries. Roll Eyes
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Reply #3253 - 02/13/10 at 08:56:31
 
Grin Grin And now a roll of red wire Grin Grin  Really JP good thinking on the drawing, so everyone can offer suggestions. SH
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Reply #3254 - 02/14/10 at 18:56:01
 
Guys, here are some pics, but unfortunately, I couldnt get the pics to come out good enough to really enable you to see everything and pick it apart... just not that knowledgeable about photography I guess... undecided probably took 40 pics, and just couldnt never get it zoomed and focused right or the flash would blur everything out white... so my bad I guess..
 
 

 

 

 

 
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