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Mini starter, which is best?
11/20/08 at 18:02:58
 

 Which brand of mini starter is best choice for AMC v8's?
 
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Reply #1 - 11/20/08 at 18:07:07
 
probley the ROBBMC
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Reply #2 - 11/20/08 at 18:07:27
 
I like my RobbMc and it's made in the USA
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Reply #3 - 11/20/08 at 18:38:21
 
Had and Alterstart, have a RobbMc and I love it.  Dealt with customer service on both and they are both good.  The alterstart seems smaller, because the RobbMc is longer but they are both about the same diameter and fit very well with my headers.  The RobbMc turned my 10.6 to 1 engine over a little easier.  Remember with the RobbMc you need the heavy gauge wire and also a smaller 10 ga wire.  
 
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Reply #4 - 11/20/08 at 18:53:27
 

 Couldn't you just jump from the cable post to the small post on the starter and leave our system in tact?
 
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Reply #5 - 11/20/08 at 19:18:03
 
RobbMc does not recommend that because he uses a permanent magnet motor.  On a permanent magnet motor it can act as a generator and keep the pinion solenoid engaged in the ring gear after you let off the starter switch.  Hence the need for a separate line to the starter.  Check out his website for install instructions.  
 
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Reply #6 - 11/20/08 at 21:04:17
 
Quote from SKeown on 11/20/08 at 18:53:27:

Couldn't you just jump from the cable post to the small post on the starter and leave our system in tact?

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As 343 said look on site. You use the stock setup but move the stock sol output cable over to the batt side of sol. and the other end to the big post on starter.  Then run a 10 ga. wire from the stock sol output post to the starter small post and go have fun.
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Reply #7 - 11/20/08 at 23:25:41
 
just wondering cause i gotta get one too, does it still install the same way as a stock starter? I mean you still need 6 hands to get er in the hole?
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Reply #8 - 11/20/08 at 23:51:53
 
Quote from mikesramblur on 11/20/08 at 23:25:41:
just wondering cause i gotta get one too, does it still install the same way as a stock starter? I mean you still need 6 hands to get er in the hole?

 
I have a RobbMC starter and fuel pump and his quality is second to none. His customer service is exactly the same, awesome!!!
 
Wiring the starter is very very simple!!! And my two Noob hands installed by starter in a matter of about 5 minutes, wiring and everything!!! You can adjust the sol anyway you need for fitting issues, and the very simple to understand wiring diagram is offered on his site, and I believe he is having a Christmas sale right now for forum members.......
 
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Reply #9 - 11/21/08 at 02:25:24
 
looks pretty long. do you have headers and how did you get your head in there to get that pic? i guess you can put the starter on before the headers then, or not?
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Reply #10 - 11/21/08 at 04:23:26
 
Quote from mikesramblur on 11/21/08 at 02:25:24:
looks pretty long. do you have headers and how did you get your head in there to get that pic? i guess you can put the starter on before the headers then, or not?
I have 1 7/8 Hooker super comp headers on mine and is a dream to install unlike the stock one that is a night mare to install and takes 6 hands.
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Reply #11 - 11/21/08 at 08:02:44
 
This thing is probably close to a third of the size of the stock monster I took out when stripping the car. I have all the clearance in the world from the headers. I installed my headers with the starter already in and never came close to having an issue. I have 1 5/8 Hedmans...... Ask fuzzface, I researched the crap out of the starters back in the summer trying to learn what was best and worth the money, EVERYONE said go with RobbMC, so I did, and am glad I did.
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Reply #12 - 11/21/08 at 15:40:37
 
good to know, thanks.
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Reply #13 - 11/22/08 at 18:12:40
 
If you want the ultimate in reliability and durability then Tilton is the way to go. A little pricier than the others but well worth it. Ask Mike Luke.
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Reply #14 - 11/24/08 at 02:19:54
 
My RobbMc starter(s) didnt like 14.25-1...
As Hemmy said, I now use a tilton super starter, and have another Tilton for the new bullet coming for the Hornet.
I have a couple RobbMc starters i'll use for my street cars with much lower compression then the race engine(s)
The new Super starter is the First new part i have ever bought that the instructions tell you that you may need to modify the product for your application, and it will be well worth your efferts to do so..
I have had zero problems with the Tilton. However it is also the most expensive starter i have ever bought. I think the new one i bought was right at 520.00 shipped from Summit (fall 07)
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Reply #15 - 11/26/08 at 05:11:34
 
I've got at least ten years on my Tilton. And I start my engine twice as much as normal at the races making sure the engine see's as little heat as possible. About eight years into use the drive failed. I think it cost about $125 for a replacement part. I bought a spare tilton that I got a smokin' deal on and I've never even opened the box. Geez...I better go look to make sure I got what I paid for!  
I did purchase a Robb starter. I'm not sure why, maybe it was lighter than my Tilton? It was longer than my Tilton and wouldn't clear my headers. He gladly returned all my money.
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Reply #16 - 11/26/08 at 13:22:51
 
I bought a 1.9 HP Tilton, It's lighter than their 3 HP version, which I figured would be overkill for an 11 to 1 motor anyway. So the Tilton will fit with Headers By Ed.
 
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Reply #18 - 12/22/08 at 07:24:29
 
I have a perfect and barely used Tilton AMC starter. I bought it as a spare and never used it. Will sell for $200.00.  
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Quote from SuperStockAMX on 12/22/08 at 07:24:29:
I have a perfect and barely used Tilton AMC starter. I bought it as a spare and never used it. Will sell for $200.00.
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 It says on the summit website that it is good for up to 11.1 What compression are you running?
 
Has Anyone ever used the Powermaster 9515? It says its good for up to 18.1? seems kinda odd to me though that a $200 new starter (powermaster) would do more than the $400 one (tilton)....
 
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Reply #20 - 01/20/09 at 05:05:53
 
I have more than 11.0:1 compression and have a locked distributor with no retard in the MSD box on start-up; in other words, a full 38-40 degrees advance at start-up. I don't even spin the engine and then hit the ignition like some do. Never had a starter kick-back.  
I have sold both starters and I would reccomend a Tilton on a race application. If you have an advance to your ignition curve or rely on retard chips as well, I would think most performance starters are acceptable. Look at RobbMc starters advertised here.  
I just bought a GPE starter (google Greg Porter Engineering) that is 3 HP and used by many P/S teams. Price was $390 and I had it in a week.
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I've got the Powermaster 9515 installed in my 71 AMX and I've got all kinds of clearance with the Hooker supercomp 1 7/8 headers and the milodon pan with a single external oil line but I haven't started my 10 : 1 comp 401 yet .
 
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Quote from purpleheart on 01/20/09 at 07:54:05:
I've got the Powermaster 9515 installed in my 71 AMX and I've got all kinds of clearance with the Hooker supercomp 1 7/8 headers and the milodon pan with a single external oil line but I haven't started my 10 : 1 comp 401 yet .

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 Was looking at this one Has anyone used it yet?
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Reply #23 - 01/21/09 at 04:37:16
 
A Tilton has been in my Jav for about 14 years now. I bought it when Tilton was about the only game around. And for those that don't know, Robb Mc used to work for Tilton, and he designed their starter.
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Frogleg , PHAT69AMX has one in his car . Send him a PM .
 
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Reply #25 - 01/21/09 at 12:43:22
 
I use the power master starter with 12:1 for 3 years now and no problems at all
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Reply #26 - 01/21/09 at 15:00:41
 
The PowerMaster XS starter has been good so far, 2 years, ~1500 miles, bought new and came with the wrong 11 tooth gear on it.  PowerMaster did eventually send the correct 9 tooth gear.  Pm Customer Support was pretty good.  At first they wanted me to return it to the supplier for exchange, and the supplier was out of stock waiting for more units, so PowerMaster wanted it shippped back to them, but eventually talked them into shipping just the correct replacement 9 tooth gear.  Once installed it has worked fine on a mild 10.2:1 343/367 with 1-5/8 headers.  The clock position is adjustable by using a tapered locking ring retained by (2) flat head allen head screws.  Not the easiest thing to adjust since the screws gotta be pretty tight and use a small 4mm hex, but would guess it needs to be done only once.  Got it before discovering the forums more or less and only a couple months before introduction of the RobbMC unit.  May have gone with the RobbMC if timing of events had been different.  Understanding is some mini-starters are "rebuildable" and some are not, don't know which is which.  There are differences between the brands.
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Reply #27 - 01/21/09 at 17:06:24
 
Have a power master been good for 14:1 and am real happy with it. Also have the ditributor locked.
 
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Quote from grn amx on 01/21/09 at 17:06:24:
Have a power master been good for 14:1 and am real happy with it. Also have the ditributor locked.

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 I hope so.. I just ordered it, it will arrive tomorrow!!!
 
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Reply #29 - 01/22/09 at 11:45:12
 
just my opinion Wink
 
just get the one from ROBBMC and support the people that support the AMC hobby
 
obviously he knows what he's doin he worked for tilton and developed the starter!
 
i got the Alterstart starter years before i found this forum and ROBBMC's site or it would have been his i got. if i have another engine done it will have his starter on it.
 
 
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Reply #30 - 01/23/09 at 00:58:25
 
I loved my Tilton in a 68 AMX w/Super Comps,but after the tubes got smashed,I bought Hedmanns & it wouldnt fit.It wasnt clock-able.
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