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07/07/09 at 14:31:41
 
Well I put spring of 2010 time frame to get my street Javelin on the road, based on the money right now it may be tuff and almost sure it will not have paint…hay I like primer Wink  I have had the car maybe 10+ years and never had it on the road, have worked on it on & off over time. Car started as a 70 390, 4sp car. It has I am told a 360 in it now, 4sp is there but clutch needs replacing big time, 4 piston disc front/drum out back. It has a Offy 360* intake Holley vac carb (list 6267-2 or 6287-2), Mallory duel point dist (non vac advance), headers (don’t know make or size) that dump into duels out to the rear bumper. It has front (1-1/8) & rear (3/4) sway bars and KYB shocks. Wheels are torq thrush 7x14, rubber is 245R/60/14 that have to be replaced because of dry rot. BTW the 390 was sold for a 401 for the race car, around here the 360 should do just fine.
 
A few years back when car was in storage (off site) critters got inside and chewed up every thing including spare door panels & head liner for a Gremlin, so the inside needs complete redoing. Wiring under the hood is a mess, from PO, GM alt was installed. When you turn the key on & car running none of the right lights work for the dash and all kinds of flashing so some thing is wrong there and the flashing goes out the to the running lights too. Good news is I have the old wiring harness from my drag car to use if need be.
 
What has been done:
Over the years I have been collecting parts for this car for when I get serious on getting it on the road. When I first got the car I replaced the rear wheel cly. & brakes and master cly. When I got to the front no one had parts for the 4 piston set up and the calibers where leaking so the car was put on hold. Now you can get the calibers rebuilt and even find pads but you still have to pay $$ for the parts and how long will they be around? (See work started below on the fix)
I have had the gas tank redone because both tanks (race car & this car) I had where rusted bad and had holes. The Co. opens the tank up blast cleans the inside, welds it up, coats the inside & bakes it then coats out side & bakes it again. This will never leak or rust again. Because the sender was crap I replaced it, sock, ring & seal before I installed it back in car. I have the dash gauge voltage reg., rear plate light, Ebay door glass fix kit, grille(s) need 1 for race car too, head light doors. May have more but all I can think of till I start cleaning up the garage & basement.
 
Work starts:
About 2 months ago I started to install a 82 Concord disc set I got for xmas in place of the stock leaking 4 piston disc set up. Got it all together 2 weeks ago, 1 hose was hard to get with my work schedule at the time.  Yesterday I got the car running and out of the garage, first time in years. So I power washed the motor and under side the best I could for when I really get going on it.  
When doing the disc change over I found the lower radiator support is rotten (right side) along with the right side frame rail on the inside & bottom just in front of the idle arm mount. I bought the support from APD, still in box so don’t know if good or bad repo of part yet. Also picked up some metal for the frame fix so the support & frame are next on the “to do” list.
 
The future:
To have a nice & unique (started that with the AMC part) street car. I have never owned a v8 stick car, driven a few v8 & owned a 4cly. Road race car on the street but never a v8 stick of my own. Because it will be driven it needs an over drive trany so I got a WC T5 that needs rebuilding. That part has started too as I have all the rebuild parts for the T5 now just need time & room to spread every thing out to put it back together, right now it is apart on my work bench in little trays. Still need some more parts for the swap like the TO fork, clutch assy., shifter & yoke just off the top of my head.
For the inside I have picked up cord door & rear panels, backs are black front tan and I want black so I will need to dyr/paint them to match. Have a head liner that needs repairing then recovering before it goes in. The rug in the car needs replacing, sad part it was new when I got the car. The seats I want to recover in the cord material like stock & to match the door/rear panels. But for now may install a set of Gremlin seats with covers just to move/drive it around. When I get it painted I want to go with a 74 GM bark blue matalic, stock was comador blue but I want more matalic, and thinking of putting the C strip back on. Also going to put the spoiler on the back. I have one for the front but after seeing them on others I dont like it will go with the "chin" spoiler on the radiator support. There is more but will save for another time.
 
Son took some pictures yesterday but have not uploaded to my site yet but here is a link to ones I have taken a few years ago. Yes it is ruff
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1285
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Reply #1 - 07/07/09 at 16:28:16
 
Dave, you can do all the body and paint work yourself cant ya?? Should help save money, but then again do you have a place to do it??
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Reply #2 - 07/07/09 at 18:29:25
 
Quote from firecapt321 on 07/07/09 at 16:28:16:
Dave, you can do all the body and paint work yourself cant ya?? Should help save money, but then again do you have a place to do it??
I can do the work. Last time I painted a car was my Gremlin 15 years ago and back then supplies where different than what I knew then so I don’t even want to think what they are like now!! The paint I was looking at was $400 a gal. Shocked I will do as much as I can like rebuilding the T5. The big thing is a place to do the painting. I think I can get away with doing the jams & edging if I remove the doors, deck lid & fenders. The hood I would like to replace because it is rusted out at front on the under side and surface rust is really bad – read pitted bad.
Painting smell is what would do me in with the wife, garage is under the house so the smell would go thru out. When I did the Gremlin I had access to a parking garage and weekends it was not used but don’t have that now. Maybe I can send the wife away for the weekend Wink
 
I was pulling the door glass & tracks from the doors, channels pulled off both door glass. Got every thing pulled and vacuumed junk out of the drivers door when the heavens opened up! Garbage cans blowing up & down the street! I knew the tarp to cover the open door glass area would be useless, would have had the get it out of the pond down the street so did not try to put it on. Sad part I only needed maybe a half hour to clean other door and back it into the garage. Now every thing is soaked!
Looks like the sun is out going to try and vacuum the mudd out of the other door before I get it in the garage to work on the frame & radiator support.
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Reply #3 - 07/07/09 at 21:51:20
 
Dave, will the raccoon be staying, or will his or her tail be hanging from the radio antenna????  Grin
It looks like you have a good base to start from!    Scott
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Reply #4 - 07/08/09 at 03:28:12
 
Quote from scott on 07/07/09 at 21:51:20:
Dave, will the raccoon be staying, or will his or her tail be hanging from the radio antenna????  Grin
It looks like you have a good base to start from!    Scott
They where evicted a wile back and I did not get any souvenirs to fly. Other than a little frame rot, lower radiator support and maybe behind the rear wheels, have not look to deep into the rear panels yet. From under the car the floors look good but we will see when the rug comes out Roll Eyes
 
I am going to get some new pictures in the morning and try and post them, hope I remember how?
We got hit with a few good down pores with wind thrown in so it cut down on some of the work done but did get a lot done I think. I got both door glass & tracks out so I can clean & free up the assy. and glue the channels bak on the glass. Also vacuumed all the junk out of the doors. Then I got looking at the vent in front of the windshield where the wiper linkage is and it was full of junk too. To the point I don’t think the wipers would work. So I think just pull the wiper motor to get vacuum hose in there. Well that clip the holds the linkage to motor must of fallen off many times on the PO and he welded a washer in place. So the motor & linkage had to come out as 1. That is when I found the wires where not hooked up to any thing, wonder what else I will find under the dash when I start the wiring re-od? I did get the junk vacuumed out and looks good but need to check the drains to see if they work. Just got the car back in the garage when it started to rain again. So as the rain was coming down I got the batt., front bumper, radiator & flex fan (don’t want to get cut) pulled so I can start to fix the frame rot & lower radiator support replaced. The support I got from APD (thanks pipefitter for the vender), looks pretty good and should go in easy. I also found some rust where the batt. goes, no tray but may have one from the drag car just need to find it. Almost forgot I pulled the front light wiring back into the motor area so I can look it over, has some cut wires, to see if I should replace it with the race car one or not.
 Next work will be the frame rot, support replace & batt. area rot.
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Reply #5 - 07/08/09 at 16:02:24
 
How it sits in the garage now  

 
Some pictures of the rust I have to deal with on the frame & support



 
Batt area rust

 
Hood rust


 
New Support looking at it from the front. It has all the nuts inside for the hood latch bracket & horn mounts

 
From the top you can see they add metal to go over frame on each side

 
Motor wiring. Wiring for the head lights is just as bad


 
 
I know I should be working on the car and not posting pictures Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - 07/08/09 at 18:00:08
 
Quote from FuzzFace2 on 07/08/09 at 16:02:24:
How it sits in the garage now
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1835&g2_serialNumber=1

Some pictures of the rust I have to deal with on the frame & support
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1928&g2_serialNumber=1
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1931&g2_serialNumber=1
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1937&g2_serialNumber=2

Batt area rust
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1811&g2_serialNumber=1

Hood rust
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1853&g2_serialNumber=1
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1832&g2_serialNumber=1

New Support looking at it from the front. It has all the nuts inside for the hood latch bracket & horn mounts
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1913&g2_serialNumber=2

From the top you can see they add metal to go over frame on each side
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1916&g2_serialNumber=2

Motor wiring. Wiring for the head lights is just as bad
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1907&g2_serialNumber=1
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1910&g2_serialNumber=1


I know I should be working on the car and not posting pictures Roll EyesDave ----

 
 
It only took me 135 pages to figure that one out Dave!! Grin Grin
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Reply #7 - 07/08/09 at 23:39:32
 
Hey Dave, I think I have a hunk of frame rail that you need if you want to do a more "factory" looking repair, I might even have a bat. tray if you need it.
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Reply #8 - 07/09/09 at 01:05:43
 
The frame pieces, the wavy part is the bottom rail, the other part is the side rail. The side rail has a 90* I need to weld a 2nd 90* to it and that gets welded to the outside rail. I also need to make a short piece 90* to fit the end of the top rail

 
If you want to know what the idle arm brace looks like inside the frame.
 
If you look at the larger picture below you can just make out where the brace is welded to a “U” part that welds to the bottom & lower side rails of the frame.  
 
Link to larger picture
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1959&g2_serialNumber=1
 
I got to say thank god for plasma cutters. The one I have is for sheet metal air duct work but worked great for the frame and cutting the parts out of the sheet I have.
Tomorrow will be final fitting & cleaning and welding it all goes well.
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Reply #9 - 07/09/09 at 01:49:18
 
Quote from brownSpirit on 07/08/09 at 23:39:32:
Hey Dave, I think I have a hunk of frame rail that you need if you want to do a more "factory" looking repair, I might even have a bat. tray if you need it.  
Andy, I may take you up on the tray when the time comes. I only gave a quick look where I thought it might be, by quick I did not move any thing and there is a lot to move Wink  I did find the plate that goes under the fender well so I got part of it.
 
For the frame the way I am doing it (and hope it comes out) you would have to really look to see if it was replaced. Most of the welds will be butt welds or for the side to bottom an “L” weld. There will be a few plug welds where the idler arm brace is to tie that back into the frame. Grind the welds down and you will never know (I hope).
I am still thinking on how I am going to fix the fender well where the batt. tray sits. That should be cake after the frame.
 
I did a quick test fit of the lower radiator support and it fits real good. I will get pictures of the good frame rail end so people can see how different the other side is I had to make.
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Reply #10 - 07/09/09 at 02:00:39
 
Quote from firecapt321 on 07/08/09 at 18:00:08:
Quote from FuzzFace2 on 07/08/09 at 16:02:24:
How it sits in the garage now
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1835&g2_serialNumber=1

Some pictures of the rust I have to deal with on the frame & support
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1928&g2_serialNumber=1
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1931&g2_serialNumber=1
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1937&g2_serialNumber=2

Batt area rust
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1811&g2_serialNumber=1

Hood rust
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1853&g2_serialNumber=1
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1832&g2_serialNumber=1

New Support looking at it from the front. It has all the nuts inside for the hood latch bracket & horn mounts
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1913&g2_serialNumber=2

From the top you can see they add metal to go over frame on each side
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1916&g2_serialNumber=2

Motor wiring. Wiring for the head lights is just as bad
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1907&g2_serialNumber=1
http://cars.grantskingdom.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_ itemId=1910&g2_serialNumber=1


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It only took me 135 pages to figure that one out Dave!! Grin Grin
JP because you had to do every thing twice I should have half the posts right Grin Wink j/k I dont see this car looking as nice as yours Cool
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Reply #11 - 07/09/09 at 19:21:04
 
Looking better already! the trays etc are reproduced and are not that expensive to purchase.
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Reply #12 - 07/10/09 at 02:12:42
 
Bottom piece welded inplace. I welded it on the inside & outside. I also drilled 4  ˝” holes for plug welds to the brace from below

 
Close up of idler are brace

 
Parts welded in place. It’s not pretty but was the only way with out burning thru the thin areas. Besides once ground down you will never know it was ever welded.

 
You can see the plug welds here. The other hole lined up with a hole in the arm brace that is there from the factory.

 
Almost done….with the frame. You can see the radiator support on the left going from bottom to top. I also need to drill the 2 holes for the Idler arm yet.

 
The radiator support is not welded in yet just placed there for now.

 
After doing yard work in the morning I will weld the support in and then look into how I am going to tackle the batt. / fender well area that is rotted. Should be fun with out a metal brake or roller.


 
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Reply #13 - 07/10/09 at 02:24:01
 
Quote from amxdreamer on 07/09/09 at 19:21:04:
Looking better already! the trays etc are reproduced and are not that expensive to purchase.
Thanks Tony for the kind words.
I knew some one made the tray as I have seen them some where, Maybe APD? but do they make the part of the fender well the tray sits on? That is the part I really need, the tray I can always find.
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Reply #14 - 07/10/09 at 17:38:17
 
galvins had them in stock. I looked at them and decided mine will have to do for now.
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