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Brake light issue
02/07/10 at 05:39:15
 
OK, I'm having a brain fart here. Of course electrical is my weakest (except for bodywork) automotive issue.
 
After nearly getting rear-ended on SEVERAL occasions, I ordered a LED billet third mount brake light. Rather not have it, but it's better than a totalled Rambler.
 
I wired it in the brake light circuit. It's grounded to a good body ground and the positive is in a pig-tail adaptor in the left side brake light.
 
Prior to this install, brake lights worked well. The brake light switch in 1965 was a single-wire pressure switch in the hydraulics. Has a newer switch installed.
 
After the installation, the third mount brake light didn't light up (it was bench tested prior to install). However, if I unhooked the plug from the light socket, the third brake light WOULD light up with the brake light wire still connected to it. If I reinstall the plug the new light goes out but the regular brake light goes on OR blows the fuse. New fuse and the factory lights work fine again, but no third brake light. Huh
 
Made me very curious. I hooked up a test light (battery in trunk) to the positive post, and probed the spade on the brake light socket. It lit up, indicating a ground. Huh?? Even with the harness hooked up to it, a probe indicated ground. BUT, when the brake pedal is activated it goes hot lighting the brake lights.
 
Might be worth noting that the brake light circuit requres the ingnition switch to be on. I checked the wiring diagram and that is correct.
 
I am confus-ED.
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Re: Brake light issue
Reply #1 - 02/07/10 at 17:51:04
 
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I wired it in the brake light circuit. It's grounded to a good body ground and the positive is in a pig-tail adaptor in the left side brake light.

I don’t under stand how you have the 3rd light wired in as it can not be wired to any of the lights in the trunk. Does the 3rd light have 2 or 3 wires and if 3 did you get any paper work on how to install it?
On a guess and it being a 2 wire light 1 wire would be power in the other wire a ground. The power wire needs to go back to the brake light switch before the turn sig. switch. Remember when you have the turn sig. on it cancels the brake light to that side, this is done in the turn sig switch and why you need to go back before the turn sig. switch.
The brake light switch should have a hot wire to 1 side and the other cold till the push the pedal down. If it test out this way run a wire from the brake switch cold side back to the 3rd light and it should be good.
Any questions give a shout.
BTW I dont think the 3rd light is going to help for the Ahole drivers out there!
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Reply #2 - 02/08/10 at 03:06:12
 
Yeah, we figgered it out on the other forum. It has to be BEFORE the column. So I have to run a wire from the front of the car (switch) to the back of the car (third light)
 
It's not just the jerks. When I'm driving east late in the afternoon, the sun shines into my taillight lenses and it's hard to see the brake lights. I may even hook up a flasher on the third mount.
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Reply #3 - 02/08/10 at 03:29:14
 
Yea I saw you posted over there too. What I posted was what you did, connect at the switch.
 
Have you thought about LED lights to replace the 1157 bulbs? There is a post on here about them in used in the 71-74 Javelin. I am going to try and use them in my 70 Javelin.
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Reply #4 - 02/08/10 at 04:49:09
 
The better "third brake light" kits are a three wire type with a logic chip. You have a ground, left hot, and right hot. The logic chip then can "watch" the brake lamp circuit on both sides of the car and keep the "third brake light" on even when you have a turn signal going. It also will flash the third lamp if you turn on the hazard/4 way flashers. Best part is you tie it all together at the back of the car and don't have to run any additional wires from the front. Since you already have the third light you may want to check to see if the vendor offers the logic chip as an additional purchase. Just a thought.
 
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Reply #5 - 02/09/10 at 00:09:32
 
I like that, but I got it as an ebay purchase. I think I'm gonna ad an LED compatible flashe in the circuit anyway so the third mount is eye catching to alert those who are less attentive at the wheel.
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Reply #6 - 02/09/10 at 23:53:23
 
I replaced my 1157's with LED's in my '66 Classic Wagon and they are better.  Needed to upgrade the flasher unit though.  Thanks for the info as I plan on getting one of these CHMSL -industry jargon- lights (Center High Mount Stop Lamp).
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