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04/02/11 at 11:37:54
 
Has anyone had experiance with having this done? My thought is to have 14" AMC rallys rehooped to 15" and custom backspaced. Stockton Wheel in California comes up in a Google search but seems to also get bad reviews as far as customer service. There's a place in Kansas called "The Mopar Dude" that looks promising. The closer to New England the better.
 
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Reply #1 - 04/03/11 at 19:45:29
 
Are you building something 'extreme' or would you settle for a 15" 8-slot Rallye?
 
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Reply #2 - 04/04/11 at 00:25:35
 
 15"x7" would probably be fine for the front wheels. But in order to fit the largest possible wheel in the rear, 7" wide is too narrow. Since 14" rallys are relatively easy to come by and 15s are not, and they were never offered in 8" or 10" wide ever, this seems like a way to get exactly what I want. And by getting a custom backspace I can have tires that fit as close to perfect as possible instead of having something that fits good except when, or as long as I don't, or only if I use a wheel that isn't what I really wanted but it's what I'd have to use to make it fit.
 
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Reply #3 - 04/04/11 at 02:39:17
 
I was thinking of doing the exact same thing. I e-mailed Stockton about this a while back, then again very recently. They can turn a 14" AMC rallye into a 15" no problem. I also asked about turning them into 17"s, but was told that couldn't be done. Before when I e-mailed them, it was about $100/wheel. When I e-mailed them recently, I said I wanted two 15x8s and two 15x10s and believe they said $800 for 4 rims, something like that.
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Reply #4 - 04/07/11 at 00:31:57
 
been trying to do the same thing for a while....Stockton told me my center had to be 12 3/8" dia. minimum. 14" is 12 1/4. wanted me to send him one and if he couldn't do it he'd send it back with me paying the shipping again! I talked to a guy on the other forum that said he could do it plus he's right here in Michigan!  to make a 15x8 with new rim was around 115.00 each.
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Reply #5 - 04/07/11 at 09:18:32
 
Does he have a website?
 
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Reply #6 - 04/07/11 at 23:19:02
 
Yes...www.themopardude.com give him a try. oops! I just saw he's not in MI.! oh well still closer than the W. coast. Cheesy
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Reply #7 - 04/10/11 at 20:22:04
 
Ok, before I get this done I need to decide on width and backspacing. The application would be a 72 Javelin.
 I'm thinking 15x 7 or 15x8 for the front with 215, 225 or 235 tires. What would be the optimum backspace? In the other post, Scrapdaddy has 17x8 with what amounts to 5 3/8 backspace on a Hornet.  
 In the back, others have put as big as 295 on a humpster. I'm thinking somewhere between 245 and 295. Would this require an 8 or 10 inch rim? At what backspace? Using Scrapdaddy's Hornet as an example, he's using 10" rims with what amounts to 5 5/8 backspace.
Any thoughts?
 
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Reply #8 - 04/10/11 at 23:00:52
 
not positve if the Jav. is wider than the Grem/Hornet rear end, but I have 15x8 with 295x50 tires on the back of the Gremlin with 3 3/4" back space and have 1/2" clearance to the leaf spring. Which wheel place you going with?
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Reply #9 - 04/11/11 at 00:17:51
 
Quote from JLL73 on 04/10/11 at 23:00:52:
not positve if the Jav. is wider than the Grem/Hornet rear end, but I have 15x8 with 295x50 tires on the back of the Gremlin with 3 3/4" back space and have 1/2" clearance to the leaf spring. Which wheel place you going with?

 Maybe I'm measuring wrong but I have Anson aluminum slotted wheels on the back of the car now and measured the following:
Overall the rim is 7 3/4" wide, so I take it I have 14x7 wheels.
The backspace measures 3 5/16"
With 225/70B14 tires I have 3 1/2" tire to spring.
The outside of the tire is now about as far out as I would go without expecting there to be tire to body interferance.
I was expecting to go with the Mopar dude.
 
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Reply #10 - 04/11/11 at 02:11:52
 
sounds like the 71-74 Jav must have a wider axle. i can't figure out how scrapdaddy can use that wheel with so much backspace. I know the rear ends are  the same on the Hornets and Gremlins. Spacers? As for measuring, I lay a straight edge across the back rim just inside the lip and measure down to the  mounting surface . Let us know how you come out with the rims, I'm not quite ready yet to do mine.
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Reply #11 - 04/11/11 at 03:19:46
 
Yes, the 71-74 Javelin (and AMX) axle is wider than a small-body car by about 1.25" per side. I was going to put this axle in my Spirit or Concord when I was planning on running the Bullitt rims. The normal 94-04 Bullitts are 17x8 with a 5.72" backspacing. With the wider axle, you'd be pretty much right at 4.5" backspacing, which is pretty much near perfect. On the front, a 1/2" wide dropped spindle spacer would move the front tires right where you'd want them and you could lower the car a couple inches at the same time.
 
Scrap is using some spacers front and rear on his car. I don't remember exactly what width, though. I think he has 3/8" spacer front and 5/8" rear, but don't quote me on that.
 
A 295/50 will fit on an 8" or 10" wide rims. I like them on a 10" wide rim, personally, as they don't curl onto the rim as much and look (seem) wider (the footprint of the tire is bigger on a 10" rim, but not my that much). 235 through 275-60 series tires will fit on an 8" wide wheel as will 265 or 275/50s or the previously mentioned 295/50s.  
 
On my Matador coupe, I have 265/50s on 15x8s with a 3.5" backspacing front and 295/50s on 15x10s with 4.5 backspacing rear and they fit perfect without rubbing. I also put some 325/50-15s on some 15x10 rims with an even 5" backspacing. They fit just right, but with my worn out rear springs, they rubbed SLIGHTLY on the outer wheelwell lip when I got in the car and tried to back up. With new springs, I think I'd be good to go. I know this doesn't help you for the Humpster, but thought I'd throw this out for reference.
 
You can fit a lot of tire in the Humpster wheelwells. I believe the backspacing on factory 15x7 rallyes is about 4.25". For a 275/60 rear tire, which I think would look good on a Humpster and really fill out the wheelwell, I'd go with a 15x8s with about a 4.5" backspacing. You could do the same rims for a 295/50 or go with a 15x10 with either a 4.5" to 5" backspacing. You probably can't go with 5.5" as you'd be getting awfully close to the leaf springs. On the front, I've seen 245/60s on a 7" wide rim on Humpsters, but I'd probably go with 235/60s on an 8" wide rim with the same 4.5" backspacing. It would be cool with the 295/50s on 15x10s on the back and 235/60s on 15x8s front as you'd have a 26.6" tall tire in the back and a 26" tall tire in the front. The tires would also look wide on those rims.
 
Again, don't quote me on the backspacings of any of the rims I suggested. I'm very much into the "look" of wheels and tires on cars and am always looking for just the right combination of wheels, tire size and backspacing. Just ask brownSpirit! Wink
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Reply #12 - 04/20/11 at 23:54:56
 
Brian,
  I've pretty much figured out what we're going to be using on Lenny's car. On the back, I measured 7 1/2" from the face of the wheel mounting surface to the leaf spring. Useing a 14x7 Rallye with a G70 tire, I dropped a plumb line from inside the wheel well along the outside of the tire. I was pretty happy with where the line hit inside the wheel well, good clearance taking full suspension travel into account. With that being said, I think we're going to use 15x8 with the same distance from the outside of the wheel to the mounting surface (kind of the opposite of backspace measure). That will keep the trim rings fitting like stock, there's plenty of room to add rubber towards the center of the car, and Lenny can have plenty of options for tire size.
 The front is a different story. The car hasn't been lined up yet, so front to back placement in the wheel well is probably off. The same wheel used to test fit the back fits much tighter in the front. There isn't much room to move in, and the wheel comes close to the front of the wheel opening when turned. There also isn't much clearance to the tie rod end, and the tire comes really close to rubbing on the frame when turned all the way to the lock. I opened up the back of the wheel opening when I did the body work, but I should have done the front like I did on my Spirit. I'm not sure if I should go 15x7 or 15x8. I'm guessing neutral offset either way.
  By the way, the 14" Rallye has a 3 3/4" backspace.
 
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Reply #13 - 05/21/11 at 16:50:55
 
I've got the wheels back. $125 each plus shipping with cores supplied by me. Two at 15x7 w/4.25 backspace and two at 15x8 w/5.25 backspace. There was good response to emails, they answered the phone when I called and turnaround was a couple days once they recieved my rims. I had requested powder coating, but they did not have a source for that service. I opted for blasted centers and raw steel rims.
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Reply #14 - 05/22/11 at 00:12:23
 
THAT looks really nice........
 
back when I was in high skule, me and my amc pal sent our 14" 8-slots out for widening, I widened mine 3 inches "in" he did his 3" "out" (ie from the outside looking at them on the car, you would not noice anything were done to his, mine were, if this is a correct term, were a "deep dish" look, you knew I had done something
 
I actually just tripped over MY rims from then, and I think my pal still has his...
 
yours weren't widened though, right? you just moved the offset (sorry, I didnt read the whole thread)
 
and theres a date code on the rims too from what I know, do you know where one can read up on that, I have a metric ton of amc wheels here....just curious
 
again, VERY nice work
 
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